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Voices of Cherokee Women is a well-written chronicle, from pre-contact to modern times, of how Cherokee women went from respected voices in the community to silence, and back again. Telling many stories again from another perspective (particularly Mooney and Lt. Timberlake, whose accounts look different when viewed through the lense of women's history), this book shows another side of the story. Our story.

Acceptance of the Gregorian system of time-measurement, which came with more quickly produced (manufactured) goods, led to rejection of a more feminine calendar, and thus eventually to acceptance of European religion (at the point of trader debt and guns, admittedly), loss of the Tsalagi language in favor of English, and a forced acceptance of the 'Civilizing' program: an attempt to replace the Cherokee way of thinking, respect for mothers and honored women, with the domestication of obedient ladies: a European way of thinking.

These essays show more than just how Cherokee women went from equality to inequality and back again. They show how the imposition of calendar, religion, language and 'civilization' led to the loss of a more open and flexible way of thinking.

Peace,

Gregorian Date: Wednesday, 24 September 2014

Universal Date (aka MEOW Community Cooperation Date) : Sunday, 24 September, 12014 H.E. (Holocene Era, aka Human Era)

https://network23.org/communitycoop/2014/09/24/imposed-calendar-religion-language-and-civilization-led-to-loss-for-all-women/

Well...

Date: 2014-09-27 08:13 pm (UTC)
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Let me tell you a thing: it's not as dead as the mainstream culture wants everyone to believe.

My mother's family has Cherokee ancestors. It's a little bit of family history. Doesn't show much unless you know exactly where to look. But. There are little bits of Cherokee culture woven into family tradition. Using fish to fertilize the garden, telling stories -- I am still occasionally turning up things and thinking, "Oh wow, so that's where that came from."

We're not descended from the ones who were dragged away, but from the ones who hid and assimilated. The Cherokee were among the most successful at that. The ones who hid are forgotten, unacknowledged, and that was the plan all along. It worked. They lived. And they passed down pieces of their culture in places that nobody would think to look for.

As for a European way of thinking, well ... one my black friends said it best: I can pass for white, until I open my mouth.

Re: Well...

Date: 2014-09-28 06:28 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ysabetwordsmith
>> when I asked my Grandmother if it was true (I got beaten up alot for looking like a "little Indian" while insisting that I was Black), <<

Oh wow. There is a deep connection between Cherokee and black folks because the Cherokee hid escaped slaves. I think the Seminoles are the only tribe with a tighter connection. There are some others too. But now some tribes are trying to cut their black members off the roles. Racism is a bad thing to catch from the white folks. 0_o

>> My gr. grandmother corrected it to "Brown" and I never understood why we always had succotash, never pulled or swatted at plants, told stories, but did not talk much (gr. Gradma told stories, Grandma was silent & told me I asked too many questions). <<

That is a nifty list. Thanks for sharing.

>> You are right, we hid, but in hiding, and mixing with communities that were later counted in census records as "Mulatto," we were marginalized. <<

There's always a cost.

>> So we take our hidden heritage, and try to come out of the closet now, to make it better for all of us, yes? That is what I am trying to do. <<

Sooth. Me too. My background is very eclectic -- well, you'll see that all through my writing.

>> Sorry if this is long and a bit personal. <<

That's okay.

Re: Well...

Date: 2014-09-28 07:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ysabetwordsmith
>> Wow -where are you? I assumed you were State-side, making it at least 2:30am your time <<

I am, central Illinois. Clock here says 1:50 AM. I work roughly a second-shift schedule as a wordsmith, so I get up late and stay up late. You'll almost never see me online before noon, but often in the wee hours of my morning, thus early to mid morning for you. Which is cool, I have fans all over the globe. Just keep in mind that time difference if you're trying to catch my live events: my poetry fishbowls typically run from noon or 1 PM until some time after midnight here.

>> (I live in Britanny, as my spouse yells every time someone says France: Bretons are almost as separatist as Catalans and Scots :-) ...) it is 8:34am here (Brest time, same as Paris, I think)? <<

How exciting! I've got one setting that touches on Brittany just a bit, though there's more in my notes that I haven't written yet. The big series is The Steamsmith, and the small one is The Arc of Joan, both listed via my Serial Poetry page.

>>"cut their black members off the roles" -ah, the CNO. The Dawes roll, earlier than the Baker list (I think?) used by the Eastern Band. <<

It varies, how membership is counted, from one tribe to another. I must've heard half a dozen or more tribes cutting their rolls in the last couple years.

If it were up to me I'd look at a combination of genetics, locale, and cultural things like language, crafts, dancing, religion, etc. Far's I'm concerned, if you're living the life, you're Indian enough.

>> Many colored families, as it turns out, had mineral resource rights that went to others when they were run out of OK towns. <<

Yes, that's disturbing.

>> Yes, I feel very conflicted arguing for the Devil here, but they are not completely wrong, technically speaking. <<

The clever thing about institutionalized racism with regard to Native Americans is that it rewards people for buying into it. After they were stripped of resources, penned in, and brutalized into exhaustion then the government held out these promises of almost enough money or goods to survive on. If you've got nothing, that is extremely tempting and it can make people viciously protective of that pittance. They learn to divide themselves instead of unite -- and then the fight is just about over.

>> People deprived of opportunity can become bitter, and take it out on those even more vulnerable, like abused children often do, saddly. Not easy to overcome our own human nature. <<

So very true.

Re: Well...

Date: 2014-09-29 08:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ysabetwordsmith
>> I will re-see it -I had a hard time reading the page due to the dark on dark background. <<

Sorry about that.

>> I searched GR for the Army of One, but it looks like an unpublished work? <<

It's published, but not in book format yet. I've only got the three whole books published thus far, although Goodreads may have some of the anthologies I've appeared in. A great deal of my work is only visible online or scattered across magazines.

>> I agree, but the divide and conquer has worked it's bitter work, and now the job is to re-build community on a more fraternal basis, via family of choice, I believe. How do we get people to realize that we are all related? <<

Focus on intertribal activities. That can help a lot. Look for common ground in cultural practices between tribes. There is plenty of it. Yes, the tribes are each distinct but if you pile them all together they are a lot more like each other than like the Europeans. Short list: storytelling, drums, dancing, reverence of plants and animals as guides, prevalence of 4 as a sacred number, and let's not forget Plains Indian Sign which was an auxiliary trade language that touched all four coasts. Identify common goals and work toward them -- frex, keeping oil pipelines off the land and making sure everyone has water.

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