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Exodus by Leon Uris
Jul. 29th, 2015 07:17 pmPosting parts of a discussion from GoodReads just in case it interests anyone:
There are various proofs, if one wishes to accept them, for some of the events of the Bible (more likely due to the explosion of the volcano on Santorini, logically speaking), but any and all such proof are subject to POV, as you have stated. And therein lies the problem. For a group of people frightened out of their wits, ethnicly (sp?) scapegoated, it is easy to fall back on eye for an eye, and difficult to be objective. Likewise for those of us raised in countries that profit from the situation.
Changing my perspective took over 20 years, and I am still having trouble reconciling my desire to see justice done for one group of sufferers with my desire to see justice done for another group also suffering. Yes, alot of harm has been done in the name of justice, and to the benefit of a very small few, none of whom fit the lable of chosen.
Ideas of chosen and promised land and even of race and identity need to be entirely re-worked, together.
But how?
Shira
29 July, 12015 HE
by ShiraDestinie
GoodReads on review of Exodus by Leon Uris
ShiraDestinie JonesLANDRAC
ps: "cold hard fact" -Israel, the people, not the state, are commanded to be a nation of priests, meant to set an example of kindness, according the Rabbinical thought (see Pirkei Avot, writings of the Chafetz Chaim, etc) and community. Ok, rather closed community, but for the times, 2000 years ago, the Rabbis were pretty advanced. Manipulating parts of the ancient texts can make any group look bad, and do almost anything. I have many friends in Turkey who are living proof that Islam is a religion of peace and generosity. Likewise for my Jewish friends, many of whom insist that all of humanity is chosen -chosen to be better than we believe we can be.
Peace,
Shira
Unfortunately, without an international level consensus on and providence of: basic food, clean water, minimally decent health care, and education to some basic level (not to mention contraception), various sorts of 'population transfers' will continue to occur.
We all need to agree first and foremost that no group of people should be able to strong arm any other group, and then on that basis, proceed to find and implement sustainable solutions that will work for all of us.
So how do we get the ball rolling on that?
Peace,Edited (added need for international lvl food, water and health care to stop ppl transfer)
There are various proofs, if one wishes to accept them, for some of the events of the Bible (more likely due to the explosion of the volcano on Santorini, logically speaking), but any and all such proof are subject to POV, as you have stated. And therein lies the problem. For a group of people frightened out of their wits, ethnicly (sp?) scapegoated, it is easy to fall back on eye for an eye, and difficult to be objective. Likewise for those of us raised in countries that profit from the situation.
Changing my perspective took over 20 years, and I am still having trouble reconciling my desire to see justice done for one group of sufferers with my desire to see justice done for another group also suffering. Yes, alot of harm has been done in the name of justice, and to the benefit of a very small few, none of whom fit the lable of chosen.
Ideas of chosen and promised land and even of race and identity need to be entirely re-worked, together.
But how?
Shira
29 July, 12015 HE
by ShiraDestinie
GoodReads on review of Exodus by Leon Uris
ShiraDestinie JonesLANDRAC
ps: "cold hard fact" -Israel, the people, not the state, are commanded to be a nation of priests, meant to set an example of kindness, according the Rabbinical thought (see Pirkei Avot, writings of the Chafetz Chaim, etc) and community. Ok, rather closed community, but for the times, 2000 years ago, the Rabbis were pretty advanced. Manipulating parts of the ancient texts can make any group look bad, and do almost anything. I have many friends in Turkey who are living proof that Islam is a religion of peace and generosity. Likewise for my Jewish friends, many of whom insist that all of humanity is chosen -chosen to be better than we believe we can be.
Peace,
Shira
Unfortunately, without an international level consensus on and providence of: basic food, clean water, minimally decent health care, and education to some basic level (not to mention contraception), various sorts of 'population transfers' will continue to occur.
We all need to agree first and foremost that no group of people should be able to strong arm any other group, and then on that basis, proceed to find and implement sustainable solutions that will work for all of us.
So how do we get the ball rolling on that?
Peace,Edited (added need for international lvl food, water and health care to stop ppl transfer)
